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		<title>By: Lucinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave - I think we are talking about whether or not Jesus appeared responsible to the people around him at that time - we certainly know in a cosmic sense just how responsible he is.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, if you look at the appearance and possible consequences of His actions - going into the temple and tossing the tables or convincing people not to obey the law of stoning a adulteress, wandering with no home or apparent money. His followers were beaten and thrown into jails. If you put yourself in the mindset of average Joe His actions must have appeared not just irresponsible, but downright reckless.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Knowing and believing what we do, we can follow Him in a similar manner and love people in a way that others around us may judge as irresponsible. Is it actually irresponsible? No. Neither was Jesus. Could others around you look at you like a crazy person for it? Sure. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why can&#039;t we love perfectly? We have sin in us. We aren&#039;t perfect. Our motives are selfish. If we have moments of perfect love, He gave us that love. We can strive towards staying in that perfect love like we can strive towards perfect living. I know my love, like my righteousness, is filthy rags in comparison to His.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; I think we are talking about whether or not Jesus appeared responsible to the people around him at that time &#8211; we certainly know in a cosmic sense just how responsible he is.  </p>
<p>However, if you look at the appearance and possible consequences of His actions &#8211; going into the temple and tossing the tables or convincing people not to obey the law of stoning a adulteress, wandering with no home or apparent money. His followers were beaten and thrown into jails. If you put yourself in the mindset of average Joe His actions must have appeared not just irresponsible, but downright reckless.</p>
<p>Knowing and believing what we do, we can follow Him in a similar manner and love people in a way that others around us may judge as irresponsible. Is it actually irresponsible? No. Neither was Jesus. Could others around you look at you like a crazy person for it? Sure. </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we love perfectly? We have sin in us. We aren&#8217;t perfect. Our motives are selfish. If we have moments of perfect love, He gave us that love. We can strive towards staying in that perfect love like we can strive towards perfect living. I know my love, like my righteousness, is filthy rags in comparison to His.</p>
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		<title>By: zanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>zanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!  i say YES!  love irresponsibly! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;and may i just refer you to the story of the Prodigal Son? if that&#039;s not loving &quot;irresponsibly&quot; i don&#039;t know what is.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i want to be strong enough, open enough, generous enough and risky enough to love irresponsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!  i say YES!  love irresponsibly! </p>
<p>and may i just refer you to the story of the Prodigal Son? if that&#8217;s not loving &#8220;irresponsibly&#8221; i don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
<p>i want to be strong enough, open enough, generous enough and risky enough to love irresponsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;irresponsibly&quot; was just a word to get everyone&#039;s attention. I don&#039;t think anyone is saying that everyone should go out and be irresponsible or that Jesus was irresponsible. I think the message here is to love freely without fear that our lack of correction/judgement on people&#039;s lives will keep them from being better people, or will keep them from ever recognizing the sin in their lives. This is about the power of God&#039;s love. His power to change people because of love. You can easily find this theme throughout the Bible. &lt;br/&gt;(And even Paul knew this message of love/grace might make people worry that, if in the wrong hands, Christianity may just become a free-for-all.) It&#039;s not easy to put all your faith in something like love when we are so prone to being performance-oriented. (&quot;Please just give me something I can measure!&quot; I struggle with it all the time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;irresponsibly&#8221; was just a word to get everyone&#8217;s attention. I don&#8217;t think anyone is saying that everyone should go out and be irresponsible or that Jesus was irresponsible. I think the message here is to love freely without fear that our lack of correction/judgement on people&#8217;s lives will keep them from being better people, or will keep them from ever recognizing the sin in their lives. This is about the power of God&#8217;s love. His power to change people because of love. You can easily find this theme throughout the Bible. <br />(And even Paul knew this message of love/grace might make people worry that, if in the wrong hands, Christianity may just become a free-for-all.) It&#8217;s not easy to put all your faith in something like love when we are so prone to being performance-oriented. (&#8220;Please just give me something I can measure!&#8221; I struggle with it all the time.)</p>
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		<title>By: serenity</title>
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		<dc:creator>serenity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I meant by a fear that we could love someone right into hell is the fear that if we love someone, care for their needs, feed them when they are hungry, listen to them when they want to talk, etc., but never condemn/judge/point out their sin, then they will go to hell and it will be our fault for loving them irresponsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant by a fear that we could love someone right into hell is the fear that if we love someone, care for their needs, feed them when they are hungry, listen to them when they want to talk, etc., but never condemn/judge/point out their sin, then they will go to hell and it will be our fault for loving them irresponsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Pingel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Pingel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, several interesting responses here – from several different points of view, I’m sure.  Part of the problem of an online community is that many of us don’t walk together daily – and thus we’re unable to fully appreciate the context in which many of the responses are set.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, those of us who weren’t there, don’t really have the whole context of the speaker who gave the message Serenity used in her original post.  It also sounds as if most of the responses have been written by people who have known Jesus for awhile – and thus are assumed to have some measure of maturity to sift through basic right and wrong.  Telling the wrong people, however, to “love irresponsibly” could be a dangerous thing for them.  And, I think, Serenity acknowledged that when she initially said it sounded like a slogan for teen pregnancy.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Den, if you don’t mind – I’d take issue with you a bit on your comments.  While an argument can be made from a surface point of view that Jesus acted irresponsibly – I believe, set in context, he was VERY responsible.  I would ask: What is the lesson that his actions point to in each of the circumstances you cited?  Could it be that the severity of his actions/comments are meant to underscore the issues and lessons at hand?  Jesus could have given any one of several reactions/comments; why did he choose these particular ones?  In my opinion, Jesus IS the example.  But again, what is the underlying lesson/message?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And – I would disagree with you that responsibility isn’t one of Jesus’ defining characteristics.  If Jesus isn’t responsible, who is?  In my opinion, Jesus WAS responsible to his Father and to his mission and purpose.  I know it’s hard for us humans to do, but I think we have to try to look at responsibility from a heaven-down viewpoint rather than an earth-up one.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Serenity – you said it doesn’t seem responsible to turn the other cheek or walk the extra mile.  Again, I disagree.  I think Jesus uses these examples to show us exactly how to be responsible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Caroline – you said Jesus was not answerable to a higher authority because he IS the higher authority.  Then why did Jesus say he can only do that which he sees his Father doing?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Serenity – I don’t understand your “fear that we could actually love someone right into hell.”  Can you elaborate?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lucinda – you said “only he has the ability to love perfectly.”  Hmmmm.  How would you define to love perfectly?  Why can’t WE love perfectly?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, guys – for letting me throw in my two cents.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And the greatest of these . . . is love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, several interesting responses here – from several different points of view, I’m sure.  Part of the problem of an online community is that many of us don’t walk together daily – and thus we’re unable to fully appreciate the context in which many of the responses are set.</p>
<p>For example, those of us who weren’t there, don’t really have the whole context of the speaker who gave the message Serenity used in her original post.  It also sounds as if most of the responses have been written by people who have known Jesus for awhile – and thus are assumed to have some measure of maturity to sift through basic right and wrong.  Telling the wrong people, however, to “love irresponsibly” could be a dangerous thing for them.  And, I think, Serenity acknowledged that when she initially said it sounded like a slogan for teen pregnancy.  </p>
<p>Den, if you don’t mind – I’d take issue with you a bit on your comments.  While an argument can be made from a surface point of view that Jesus acted irresponsibly – I believe, set in context, he was VERY responsible.  I would ask: What is the lesson that his actions point to in each of the circumstances you cited?  Could it be that the severity of his actions/comments are meant to underscore the issues and lessons at hand?  Jesus could have given any one of several reactions/comments; why did he choose these particular ones?  In my opinion, Jesus IS the example.  But again, what is the underlying lesson/message?</p>
<p>And – I would disagree with you that responsibility isn’t one of Jesus’ defining characteristics.  If Jesus isn’t responsible, who is?  In my opinion, Jesus WAS responsible to his Father and to his mission and purpose.  I know it’s hard for us humans to do, but I think we have to try to look at responsibility from a heaven-down viewpoint rather than an earth-up one.</p>
<p>Serenity – you said it doesn’t seem responsible to turn the other cheek or walk the extra mile.  Again, I disagree.  I think Jesus uses these examples to show us exactly how to be responsible.</p>
<p>Caroline – you said Jesus was not answerable to a higher authority because he IS the higher authority.  Then why did Jesus say he can only do that which he sees his Father doing?</p>
<p>Serenity – I don’t understand your “fear that we could actually love someone right into hell.”  Can you elaborate?</p>
<p>Lucinda – you said “only he has the ability to love perfectly.”  Hmmmm.  How would you define to love perfectly?  Why can’t WE love perfectly?</p>
<p>Thanks, guys – for letting me throw in my two cents.</p>
<p>And the greatest of these . . . is love.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an easier time loving an honest sinner over someone who wears their righteousness on their sleeve.  As far as &#039;love like Jesus loves&#039; I think is the mark we walk towards knowing only he has the ability to love perfectly. Whatever goodness, faith, righteousness or love we have he gave us as a gift.  We don&#039;t have to &#039;try&#039; to work up anything. We can choose to selfishly keep the gift for ourselves or spread it around knowing more will come our way. Spreading it around would seem irresponsible to the world but knowing what we know - we have nothing to fear.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as being judgmental we need to remember that we don&#039;t &#039;hate the sin&#039; because it offends our righteousness, but we hate sin because it hurts the sinner -more like &#039;love the patient hate the cancer&#039; than &#039;love the criminal hate the crime&#039;. With this in mind a whole lot of people suddenly become enjoyable to be around - that is also loving irresponsibility because now you&#039;re putting your reputation at risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an easier time loving an honest sinner over someone who wears their righteousness on their sleeve.  As far as &#8216;love like Jesus loves&#8217; I think is the mark we walk towards knowing only he has the ability to love perfectly. Whatever goodness, faith, righteousness or love we have he gave us as a gift.  We don&#8217;t have to &#8216;try&#8217; to work up anything. We can choose to selfishly keep the gift for ourselves or spread it around knowing more will come our way. Spreading it around would seem irresponsible to the world but knowing what we know &#8211; we have nothing to fear.</p>
<p>As far as being judgmental we need to remember that we don&#8217;t &#8216;hate the sin&#8217; because it offends our righteousness, but we hate sin because it hurts the sinner -more like &#8216;love the patient hate the cancer&#8217; than &#8216;love the criminal hate the crime&#8217;. With this in mind a whole lot of people suddenly become enjoyable to be around &#8211; that is also loving irresponsibility because now you&#8217;re putting your reputation at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
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		<dc:creator>justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Serenity... totally off subject... there is a paper needing a weekly columnist.  I&#039;m actually going to fill in as a temporary until they find that perfect person.  Thought you might be interested in applying.  If so, let me know, I&#039;ll be glad to get you a number.&lt;br/&gt;Tabitha (Valerie&#039;s friend)&lt;br/&gt;tkt2524@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Serenity&#8230; totally off subject&#8230; there is a paper needing a weekly columnist.  I&#8217;m actually going to fill in as a temporary until they find that perfect person.  Thought you might be interested in applying.  If so, let me know, I&#8217;ll be glad to get you a number.<br />Tabitha (Valerie&#8217;s friend)<br /><a href="mailto:tkt2524@yahoo.com">tkt2524@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to say I love it, too. I&#039;ve seen enough judgmentalism in my lifetime that by now I&#039;m pretty weary of it. (Not just Christians to non-Christians, but even Christians to other Christians) &lt;br/&gt;I have come to the same conclusion as Matt in that many of us have let ourselves believe that our condemnation will be more effective in changing people than His love. That&#039;s the issue &quot;Love Irresponsibly&quot; speaks to for me. Don&#039;t be careful about who you love. Don&#039;t worry that your love is a condoning of sin. Don&#039;t be afraid to believe that the power of His love is enough to set people free, and our self-righteous assessments of their lives aren&#039;t really needed.&lt;br/&gt;I for one do not think I come close to understanding how powerful love, expecially HIS love, really is. But I definitely want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to say I love it, too. I&#8217;ve seen enough judgmentalism in my lifetime that by now I&#8217;m pretty weary of it. (Not just Christians to non-Christians, but even Christians to other Christians) <br />I have come to the same conclusion as Matt in that many of us have let ourselves believe that our condemnation will be more effective in changing people than His love. That&#8217;s the issue &#8220;Love Irresponsibly&#8221; speaks to for me. Don&#8217;t be careful about who you love. Don&#8217;t worry that your love is a condoning of sin. Don&#8217;t be afraid to believe that the power of His love is enough to set people free, and our self-righteous assessments of their lives aren&#8217;t really needed.<br />I for one do not think I come close to understanding how powerful love, expecially HIS love, really is. But I definitely want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, should have done some proofreading.  He didn&#039;t JUST call us not to be judgemental he also called sinners to stop sinning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, should have done some proofreading.  He didn&#8217;t JUST call us not to be judgemental he also called sinners to stop sinning.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know Jesus said, &quot;he who is without sin cast the first stone&quot; but he also told the woman to &quot;go and sin no more.&quot;  He didn&#039;t call us not to be judgemental he also called sinners to stop sinning.  I would assert that the God of the universe who sent his son to die on the cross to bring sinners to Him, would not simply look the other way when humans choose to disregard his Truth for what the world calls tolerance.  Just a few thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know Jesus said, &#8220;he who is without sin cast the first stone&#8221; but he also told the woman to &#8220;go and sin no more.&#8221;  He didn&#8217;t call us not to be judgemental he also called sinners to stop sinning.  I would assert that the God of the universe who sent his son to die on the cross to bring sinners to Him, would not simply look the other way when humans choose to disregard his Truth for what the world calls tolerance.  Just a few thoughts.</p>
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